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    Default 6,5x54R Mannlicher Romanian

    I have some Romanian made 6,5x54R cartridges (see attach).
    Please help me to translate the last letter of manufacturer code (at 6 o'clock).
    Common abbreviation for Romanian cartidges are PAB, PAH, PAM. What does it mean B, H, M?
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    PAB is "Pumitra Voina Societate Anonima Romana Brasov".
    PAH and PAR is the same Factory but the denotation of the characters H and R is unknown.
    Cases with the characters F, M exist also.

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    - The Romanian made 6.5X53R rimmed cartridges are very scarce, hard to find and expensive. Before and during WW1 the Romanian production of small ammunition could not cover 100% the Army demand. The first two letters from the maker's mark ["PAB", "PAH" and "PAR"] are "PA" and are the short for "Pirotechnia Armatei" [in Romanian language] which can be translated into English as "Army Pyrotechny". The third letter could mean a lot number for the year of manufacture. --- During WW2 only the second line Romanian troops were equipped with the old 6.5mm Mannlicher bolt action rifle. Orita 10/23/06

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    - I should also mention that in 1914 the Romanian armament industry could manufacture daily not more than 500 artillery projectiles and 200,000 cartridges, production which will not be enough for the Romanian Army to fight in WW1 starting with the summer of 1916. Orita 10/23/06

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    - Anyone who has an original Romanian made clip which holds 5 rounds 6.5X53R ????? The 6.5X53R rimmed cartridge was used by the Dutch and Romanian Army until 1945. The Germans also manufactured during WW2 in Austria the 6.5X53R round with a steel cartridge case [I have a few] for weapons captured in 1940 from the Dutch Army, weapons used against the Allies during D-Day and after. The original 5-round Romanian made clip for the 6.5X53R cartridge is made of blued steel and it has the same general shape as the clip manufactured in Holland, except for the the cutout in the side walls which is smaller and different in shape [it has an oval shape] than the cutout from the 5-round clips made in Holland. Both 5-round clips [for the 6.5X53R round] made in Holland and Romania are interchangeable. I'm looking for an original Romanian made 5-round clip for my collection, I only have a few manufactured in Netherlands. Orita 10/23/06

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    - Yes, you got it! Any markings stamped on it??? I collect any type of cartridge, ammo box or clip / belt manufactured in Romania. Thanks for sharing this photo. Orita 10/24/06

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    No markings as far as recognizeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orita
    - The Romanian made 6.5X53R rimmed cartridges are very scarce, hard to find and expensive. Before and during WW1 the Romanian production of small ammunition could not cover 100% the Army demand. The first two letters from the maker's mark ["PAB", "PAH" and "PAR"] are "PA" and are the short for "Pirotechnia Armatei" [in Romanian language] which can be translated into English as "Army Pyrotechny". The third letter could mean a lot number for the year of manufacture. --- During WW2 only the second line Romanian troops were equipped with the old 6.5mm Mannlicher bolt action rifle. Orita 10/23/06
    Thank you very much for your answers. Very interesting information as for me. I would like to ask you about the third letter in Romanian marking: is it only your opinion that it means lot number or you have a some special sources? May be it could mean the code of supplier of brass for cases?

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    - My grandfather was born in 1900 in Transylvania. He served in the Romanian Army on the Eastern Front in 1942-43 and he had the old 6.5mm Mannlicher rifle because he was in the reserve troops. The front line troops used the Czech made 7.92mm VZ-24 bolt-action rifle. From him I know about the old segmented headstamps for the 6.5X53R rimmed cartridges made in Romania. The 3rd letter after the letters "PA" could be a code for the lot number or most probably the code letter for the town of manufacture. That 3rd letter has nothing to do with the brass supplier for those cartridge cases. --- After graduating from high school back in Romania, I served 16 months in the elite Alpine troops in the Carpathian Mountains where I could find out old WW1 spent Romanian 6.5X53R brass cartridge cases and rusty 5-round clips for them. I wish I would have them now with me. Orita 10/24/06 P.S. I got your message and I'm going to contact you.

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