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    Default Ehrhardt 75mm Universal shells

    Hello,

    I am doing some research on Ehrhardt universal shells and data is quite hard to find. I found some good guidelines here (http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bul...eld%20guns.htm) but i would like to find out more about their designs and if possible ID a shell that i assume is an Ehrhardt universal shell.
    First of all, as you may know the first successful models appeared in 1903 and were presented to a number of states, among which Romania was included. In 1911 Romanian artillery officers formulated a technical sheet with the necessities of the universal shell (mostly based on facts learned from the mod.1904 ammo for the 75mm Krupp gun) and sent them to the German factories. It is not known yet when this shell entered Romanian service but i assume 1914.
    Not much is known about the shell and sources are confusing. In the Bulgarian Artillery link above they state some general data (number of bullets, weights,etc) and here (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=110546) is stated that the fuze was Ehrhardt Doppel Zünder C/1905 but i cannot find any info in the Romanian literature. In a gun manual for the 75mm mod. 1904 Krupp gun from 1923 the universal shell is not mentioned anymore. Several shells have been found in Romania but they are not 100% identified. I will post some pictures with my specimen tomorrow. It is interesting to note that they have a press-fit adaptor and fuze, just like the Austro-Hungarian Gr.Schr. shells.

    If anyone has drawings or pictures of such shells, please share. I`m interested in the fuze especially.
    Last edited by irod; 09.11.2016 at 21:25.

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    I think this is the Dutch version;
    http://www.wk2ammo.com/showthread.ph...for-gun-7-veld

    Regards, DJH
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    Hi Akon, thank you for the great link. Very interesting.
    Regards, DJH
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    Looking for / Suche noch:
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    Brisanzschrapnell Erhardt -van Essen
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    Primar source :
    Vgl. Wille, Waffenlehre (3. Aufl., Berl. 1905, 3 Bde.); Berlin, Handbuch der Waffenlehre (das. 1904); Korzen und Kühn, Waffenlehre (Wien) 1904.
    Se. source :
    Meyers Großes Konversations-Lexikon, Band 18. Leipzig 1909, S. 27-28.
    http://www.zeno.org/Meyers-1905/A/Schrapnells
    Thanks PzGr40
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    Thanks for your replies, guys!
    Here are some pics with my shell, compared with an Austro-Hungarian 7.5cm Gr.Schr M15. You can see the Romanian one is shorter and has a different style of driving band.
    I also have an adaptor for the fuze but i am not sure if it goes for the Romanian or A-H universal shell.
    Some shell dimensions for the Romanian one:
    Height - 196
    Diameter at base - 72
    Width of driving band - 10.6
    Height from base to driving band - 39

    IMG_20161110_105804.jpgIMG_20161110_105922.jpgIMG_20161110_105945.jpg

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    It seems that i was a little bit wrong about this. The LEFT shell is the Austro-Hungarian one , while the RIGHT shell is unknown, possibly being the Romanian Universal shell.
    I have previously thought they are the other way around.

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    Well, seems like my initial assumption was right, and now i can back it up with some data.

    In 1914, Romania had a contract with Ehrhardt for 30.040 universal shells. Out of those, only 20.000 have been delivered, in May 1914. The rest have not been delivered anymore because of Germany joining the war.
    So considering those, i might have a pretty rare piece of history!

    Now , only if i could find what type of Ehrhardt shell...most possibly one of the c/10 models.
    Last edited by irod; 15.01.2017 at 02:19.

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