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  1. #11
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    I meant to type "dvoinogo" as it is spelled correctly in Russian - to be even more precise.
    "Dvoinovo" is only the phonetic variant.
    Sure, it just depends if we use phonetic transcription, or not.

    Bob, I wonder how difficult this must be with time fuzed rockets. Maybe some strong Soviet patriotizm in these claims?
    I'd say, it was nearly impossible if they used RS-82 rockets with their tiny warheads and unreliable fuzes. As far as I remember Soviet experiences with AGDT fuzes on bombs, the delay train was prone to cracking from vibrations in flight, as well as its burning speed was strongly dependent on altitude and temperature.

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    Generally, as far as differences between the M-8 and RS-82 are concerned, the most pronounced was the warhead nose. The M-8 had small nose diameter appropriate for the AM-A fuze, while aerial rockets (RS-82, ROS-82 etc.) had large nose diameter for the AGDT fuze. If the AM-A was to be mounted on the RS-82, either it was just screwed in the middle of a flat nose, either an additional conical fairing segment was used between the fuze and the warhead. The AGDT-A-RS-82 fuze could be mounted on the M-8 too, it just looked rather silly due to the diameter of the fuze significantly bigger than the tip of the warhead.
    Both the RS-82 and M-8 had various combustion chamber letghts, due to different fuel charges, the RS-82 of later variants used pressed steel fins similar to the M-8 and prefragmentation of RS-82 was gradually reduced from original circumferential and longitudinal grooves to circumferential grooves only and finally to a smooth warhead.
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    Actually there is an excellent book (best ever) on Soviet aircraft rockets 1930-1945:

    https://priceguard.ru/offer/ozon-4369612
    Ich suche Wissen!

    SCIENTIA POTENTIA EST!

    Wer nichts weiß muss alles glauben!

    Und wer toleriert uns?

    Studiert den Hooton-Plan, den Kaufman-Plan und den Morgenthau-Plan!

    Ich bin verantwortlich für das was ich sage, nicht dafür was jemand anders versteht!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UkmhtoXCPA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aw9aRyjLcI

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    Yep, Reznichenko's book devotes a whole chapter plus an appendix to the question of use of rockets in the Khalkhin-Gol battles. :O
    It appears, there were I-16 deployed indeed, each armed with 4 MGs and 8 RS-82 launchers (the a/c were listed as I-0153 in official documents due to secrecy reasons - and so they were called in a 1940 book "Combat actions of aviation in Mongolian National Republic, May to September 1939" published by the Supreme command of VVS and used by Shirokorad). 413 rockets were fired in 14 aerial combats, resulting in 13 to 17 victories (including even one or two Soviet SB bombers in a friendly fire incident), what gives average 26 shots (i.e. just over 3 salvoes) per victory. What's interesting, according to a report of unit's commander Zvonaryev, only one I-97 fighter was shot down during the first rocket attack on August 20 - with 13 rockets fired (one failed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by x View Post
    Actually there is an excellent book (best ever) on Soviet aircraft rockets 1930-1945:

    https://priceguard.ru/offer/ozon-4369612
    Hm, dann muss ich wohl doch noch russisch lernen ...

    Robert

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    Robert, das wäre es dann wert! Wobei was da drin ist taucht in der KMB nicht auf, also bis auf die M-8 oder RS-82 und die sollten auch extrem selten vorkommen.

    Es gibt aber noch eines über Abwurfmunition, das wäre dann eher was.
    Ich suche Wissen!

    SCIENTIA POTENTIA EST!

    Wer nichts weiß muss alles glauben!

    Und wer toleriert uns?

    Studiert den Hooton-Plan, den Kaufman-Plan und den Morgenthau-Plan!

    Ich bin verantwortlich für das was ich sage, nicht dafür was jemand anders versteht!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UkmhtoXCPA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aw9aRyjLcI

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    Hi X,


    I can't access to the website you quoted ( https://priceguard.ru/offer/ozon-4369612 )
    Could you please post a picture of the book cover ?

    Regards,

    S.

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    Ich suche Wissen!

    SCIENTIA POTENTIA EST!

    Wer nichts weiß muss alles glauben!

    Und wer toleriert uns?

    Studiert den Hooton-Plan, den Kaufman-Plan und den Morgenthau-Plan!

    Ich bin verantwortlich für das was ich sage, nicht dafür was jemand anders versteht!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UkmhtoXCPA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aw9aRyjLcI

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    Or here maybe better ones with sample pages shown:
    https://cardkit.ru/katalog/literatur...s-1930-1945-gg

    The book has 1056 pages btw.
    Ich suche Wissen!

    SCIENTIA POTENTIA EST!

    Wer nichts weiß muss alles glauben!

    Und wer toleriert uns?

    Studiert den Hooton-Plan, den Kaufman-Plan und den Morgenthau-Plan!

    Ich bin verantwortlich für das was ich sage, nicht dafür was jemand anders versteht!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UkmhtoXCPA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aw9aRyjLcI

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    Works fine ! Thanks

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