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    Default Grosse Gewehrpanzergranate

    Offered on eBay.
    http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEWA:IT&ih=006
    Was the Zündladung dose made of cardboard?
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    Hi Aitor, it's not a fake. The (aluminium) Kl.zdlg 34 was placed in this cartboard spacer, so it's an original.
    Take a look here:
    http://blazeold.ath.cx/viewtopic.php?t=1170
    and with type C you can clearly see the "cartboard pipe spacer" around the Kl.zdlg.34 in the tail.
    Regards DJH

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    Oh
    Many thanks, DJH!
    Was the cardboard container that way, open by its upper side and closed by the lower one?
    Aitor

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    Hi Aitor, no, it is a cartboard cylinder and loose fillerdiscs to fill up the axial space. It can be one spacer, it can also be more than one if due to production tolerances the axial space is a bit larger.
    Regards DJH

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    Many thanks again!
    And now we're talking on the subject. Could you please tell me what is the feature that appears placed over the Zúndladung 34 on this cross-section of the Gewehrpanzergranate 30?
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    As far as I can see a mistake in the drawing. There is no use of placing a booster over a booster.
    I hope one of the specialists in this forum can tell if I am right or wrong about this.
    Regards DJH

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    You're right, DHJ, but remember the Stielgranate 41. They bore two superinmposed boosters over the lower fuze...
    Does anybody know it for sure
    Aitor

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    Yes, but that is because of the fact that the stielgranate 41 has two fuzes , a base- and a tailfuze. Both need a opening for the flame of the detonator.
    For instance the German rifle grenade with self destruct and handgrenade fuze (type D) has a single detonator wit a small hole drilled in the base to receive a flame from both base - and nosefuze.
    Why the stielgranate has no special "tailor made" detonator/booster but uses two contra placed Kl.zdlg.34's is not known to me. I suppose it was easier to use existing parts that were allready produced en masse, than to start a new production line of boosters for the relative few StB.41's that were produced compared to the rest of german ammo using the Kl.Zdlg.34.
    Regards DJH

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    You're right (as almost ever! ) the upper booster of the pair inside the Stielgranate 41 is intended for being ignited by the upper nose fuze.
    the reason why I am asking about that 'phantom' upper booster is that I've recently bougth a cutaway Grosse Gewehrpanzergranate and I intend to improve it in a future
    Aitor

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    The Gr Gew Gr. uses the same booster (Kl.Zdlg. 34) as the StGr41.
    Regards DJH

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